Need Help With SSHD

I have been asked to setup an SFTP which uses RSA public key authentication.

AS it was already in use I have opted to use CygWin and I can get it to work with passwords fine.

we are going to be hosting the SFTP server with users from the clients office connecting to it. The client has sent me their public key.

Having done LOts of reading and even more attempting to configure the server I just cant get it to work. Most of thetime I get..
ebug1: Host '127.0.0.1' is known and matches the ECDSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/ColoniAdmin/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/ColoniAdmin/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/ColoniAdmin/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/ColoniAdmin/.ssh/id_ecdsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/ColoniAdmin/.ssh/id_ed25519
debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).

I have once managed to get it to the point of asking for a passphrase for the private key but I don't have a private key (that I know of) just the public key the client sent us. and I certainly don't want to have to use passphrases

Their public key is in the authorized_key file on our server within the .ssh folder of their home folder. I have amended paswd and sshd_config to set home location and to allow RSA authentication.

All and any advice is super welcome, I have been doing this for 2 weeks now and i just wont work.

HELP HELP HELP!!!!!! ;-)
Thanks


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